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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Stanford is not Ivy League.  It is Pac 12.  Ivy League is Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia, Princeton.

Stanford is an elite private university, academically superior to several of the Ivy League schools in most ratings, but unlike Ivy League it competes in college sports at the highest possible level, and if someone got a tennis scholarship there, he/she must be really really really good. 

From what I have seen of students who have come out of Texas Wesleyan, I would not send my kids there.
 
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Someone mentioned Lindenwood University offers table tennis scholarships. 

From what I heard, Lindenwood University lost their head coaches in Randy and Kelly Kendle this May.   Their table tennis program's future looks iffy at the moment.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


I bet you can't do it 3 times in a row Tongue


Then he'll just have to win the junior boys title 3 times in a row, no problem Wink


No man... thats too easy
Lets increase it to 4? LOL
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Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked
 
Congrats...I'll continue to follow your career. Gotta always outwork your opponents and let your athleticsm take over and you'll be fine.
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


I bet you can't do it 3 times in a row Tongue


Then he'll just have to win the junior boys title 3 times in a row, no problem Wink
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


I bet you can't do it 3 times in a row Tongue
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Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked
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I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry


And now North American Champion in cadet boys singles - congratulations!
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I second AgentHex's sentiment.

Unless you're unbelievably good at one of the major sports, it's an incredibly poor career choice.  And maybe it's less than optimum even if you are that good.  The average lifespan of most pro sports careers in NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL is maybe 5 years.  Not many pros come out of such sports with all that much to tide them over for the rest of their careers because they typically can't handle a sudden influx of capital, like the proverbial lottery winner who's bankrupt a few years later.  Those sports often break down the bodies of the participants, so you're washed up by your mid-30s, maybe by your late 20s, perhaps partially disabled, and on the downside just when most are starting to reach the early end of their career prime.

On the other hand, table tennis, which they say actually strengthens the mind and does little to tear down the body (in fact makes it more fit), puts you in the presence of a much higher-achieving class of people (engineers, programmers, medical professionals, etc.).  Parents in the U.S. who support their kids' table tennis might never end up with a kid who makes a living at the sport, but that 2400 kid will likely be a very fine 2000+ TT athlete for the remainder of their lives, and all that exposure to high achievers can't hurt their career trajectory.  I'd rather have a kid who can win state TT championships for a $250 check and works as an electrical engineer than a kid who spends 5 years in the NFL and has to strap on a knee brace for the rest of his life.


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Originally posted by chu_bun chu_bun wrote:

I read somewhere that making to the NBA is as hard as becoming a surgeon.  But there is a big difference.  If you fail miserably at becoming a surgeon, you can still end up a nurse or something and should have no problem make a very decent living.
By the way, you do not need to be a pro.  There are many scholarships available for kids who are good as sport.  I know a kid who get to Ivy League schools on Tennis scholarship (by the way, he is good, but not world class or even national class).  I also had classmates/coaches who came to the US on a sport scholarship.  I believe you can study other majors instead of sport related ones (the Argentina girl in my class majored in Hotel Management).
However, I have never heard of a scholarship for TT.  Maybe some of you reach people should start donating money to universities.


Usually becoming a surgeon is much more of a sure thing as long as one's willing to work hard.

Pro athlete in general is terrible career choice even for popular sports. Even if the player base is unionized (ie high min wages), the average career is short enough that most atheletes end up broke shortly after leaving the game. The problem with TT specifically in the US is that our highest level isn't that high so going pro (ie winning on the big stage) isn't really feasible.

In sum, better play sports as amateurs and enjoy it for what it is. Oh and stay in school.
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Stanford is not Ivy League.  It is Pac 12.  Ivy League is Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia, Princeton.

Stanford is an elite private university, academically superior to several of the Ivy League schools in most ratings, but unlike Ivy League it competes in college sports at the highest possible level, and if someone got a tennis scholarship there, he/she must be really really really good. 

From what I have seen of students who have come out of Texas Wesleyan, I would not send my kids there.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:


Ivy League schools are not allowed to offer any athletic scholarships (not even for basketball). Kids may have an advantage in admissions, but no one there gets money for sports.


That's strange.  It was about 6 yrs back, but I'm pretty sure he said he got accepted to Standford on a tennis scholarship.  Of course you don't get paid playing for your school team (this may change in a near future), but consider the tuition at these school, a full scholarship could easily be >100K, plus a prestige degree,  I would say the money spent on coaching and time on practicing are a very good investment. 
About Texas Wesleyan, no offend but I'm not sure if any smart and talented kids would want to go there!
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Originally posted by ttplayer92 ttplayer92 wrote:

Im pretty sure Texas Wesleyan offers scholarships! 

so does Lindenwood
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Originally posted by chu_bun chu_bun wrote:

I read somewhere that making to the NBA is as hard as becoming a surgeon.  But there is a big difference.  If you fail miserably at becoming a surgeon, you can still end up a nurse or something and should have no problem make a very decent living.
By the way, you do not need to be a pro.  There are many scholarships available for kids who are good as sport.  I know a kid who get to Ivy League schools on Tennis scholarship (by the way, he is good, but not world class or even national class).


Ivy League schools are not allowed to offer any athletic scholarships (not even for basketball). Kids may have an advantage in admissions, but no one there gets money for sports.

In basketball, there are actually quite a few options to play professionally below the NBA; many college players continue in Europe for example. They probably won't get rich though.

As skip said, the USA may actually be the country (outside China) with the highest number of table tennis pros - but as coaches not players. As a coach you can indeed make a decent living, and not just while you're young.
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I read somewhere that making to the NBA is as hard as becoming a surgeon.  But there is a big difference.  If you fail miserably at becoming a surgeon, you can still end up a nurse or something and should have no problem make a very decent living.
By the way, you do not need to be a pro.  There are many scholarships available for kids who are good as sport.  I know a kid who get to Ivy League schools on Tennis scholarship (by the way, he is good, but not world class or even national class).  I also had classmates/coaches who came to the US on a sport scholarship.  I believe you can study other majors instead of sport related ones (the Argentina girl in my class majored in Hotel Management).
However, I have never heard of a scholarship for TT.  Maybe some of you reach people should start donating money to universities.
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I like this thread but......why the discussion on the money making possibilities between basketball and table tennis? Does ANYBODY in America believe there are families investing so much money in their child to become a PROFESSIONAL table tennis player? When I mean professional, I mean playing or involved in table tennis as a main source of income.

I'm sure if there was ANY remote possibility of Allen becoming a pro basketball player, the switch to basketball would have been made a long time ago. Some coach from somewhere would have convinced the family to make the switch if it even needed to go that far.

I don't know Allen's future in table tennis but from what I've noticed from other top juniors in the past is the "dream" to be the next Wang Liqin ends once they enroll in college or they get to around 21 years old and are stuck at 2600 level. Which doesn't guarantee a second round win at the US Open. Lol.

Unfortunately, this is the main reason why America can't produce a top 100 player anymore. There is absolutely no money to be made in TT and we have other sports in America that will make you stinking rich if you make it pro.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Sounds like the East Coast remake of "Ping Pong Playa" Smile

http://www.pingpongplaya.com/us/index.html


That's like my life story bro. Hahaha, the movie was disappointing though, they needed a better actor, like me! LOL
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Sounds like the East Coast remake of "Ping Pong Playa" Smile

http://www.pingpongplaya.com/us/index.html

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Here is ITTF's record of Allen Wang vs Tao Wenzhang.
(The 7th match on this page.)
(Wang beat Tao badly in the first game, but lost all the remaining games.)
 
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
20:00 3/7/2013
HSU Nathan USA

vs

TAO Wenzhang CHN
7-11, 11-6, 6-11, 9-11,11-9,8-11, - 2-4
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Semi Final

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
16:15 3/7/2013
TAO Wenzhang CHN

vs

JAFAR Shuja USA
11-3, 12-10, 11-7, 14-12,-,-, - 4-0
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
12:30 3/7/2013
CHEN Bowen ^^ USA

vs

TAO Wenzhang CHN
8-11, 10-12, 13-11, 4-12,12-14,-, - 1-4
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
12:30 4/7/2013
OU Jonathan USA

vs

TAO Wenzhang CHN
5-11, 10-12, 4-11, -,-,-, - 0-3
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Semi Final

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
TAO Wenzhang CHN

vs

BYE --- ---
-, -, -, -,-,-, - -

ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
09:30 4/7/2013
TAO Wenzhang CHN

vs

KUMAR Shivansh ^ USA
12-10, 11-9, 11-9, -,-,-, - 3-0
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Round of 16

U21 Boys Singles (Pre. Rounds)
14:00 4/7/2013
WANG Allen USA

vs

TAO Wenzhang CHN
11-4, 8-11, 5-11, 5-11,-,-, - 1-3
TAO Wenzhang


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Quote C'mon guys give Allen some credit most of you wouldn't get a single serve back.... The "if it really was Tao" comment is just stupid


It would be a good idea not to use the word "stupid" in reference to another too loosely. 

I said "if it was Tao" in the context of just having gone over 2013 U.S. Open results and not seeing one match between Mr. Wang and Mr. Tao, I had also just gone over the USATT ratings history for both players and failed to find a single match ever between the two.  At the time I made the comment, I didn't know about preliminary matches at the Open that show up nowhere on the results or in the records or about the ITTF/USATT results distinction, I assumed the USATT would include such matches in their records. Not an absurd assumption. 

I give Mr. Wang a great deal of credit, I know full well that he's an outstanding player though not quite world class (yet); I could also tell that his opponent, whether his name was Tao or not, was a tremendous player.  I was honestly wondering if perhaps Mr. Wang had played another very fine Chinese opponent but had merely been mistaken as to his name.  That was all.

I never meant to mock or ridicule one who could take me to the woodshed if we ever played.


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Sorry to say the obvious: 
Here in the USA, there are lots of money in Pro Basketball, there is no money in TT.
If you can make it in the Pro Basketball, then by all means.
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As far as I know (probably not much), there is no TT player here makes a living by playing only.  However, one can make some money by coaching.
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TT coaches in hot spots (MD, NJ, NY and CA) can make far more money than those in Charlotte, NC..
Then again, I only know approximately how much money our coaches make here.
(Btw, we share our facility with the Badminton Club, so we open only half of the time.)
 
The estimated earnings of our 4 coaches are:  One makes about $15,000 a year, and the remaining three make under $5,000 each per year. (None depends on coaching to live.)
 
Strangely enough, the one who makes most of the money is the one who has the lowest usatt rating.  The reason being that he was the very first guy who started coaching in our club, very dedicated, and his earliest two students were 10 years old kids - subsequently all new kids went to him for lessons.  He has a monopoly on coaching kids here.  And, he also has adult students.
 
The other 3 higher usatt rated coaches just don't have any kids as a student.
 
In TT hot spots, the demand for coaching is high, coaches' schedules are full and can command pay for as much as $70+ an hour.  Here in Charlotte, NC, the coaching demand is low - only one coach is relatively busy during the club's operating hours, the other 3 only coach occasionally due to lack of demand, all command about half the pay rate as TT hotspots.
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Info for Allen Wang:  Your usatt rating is higher than all our club's coaches. (Btw, our club is weak, no 2400 level player in our club.)  You are already good enough to being a coach.
 


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So Allen, whats the possibility that you become pro in Basketbal VS TT?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed
Does your father know?  Does he drive you to the basketball court with Amy?  LOL!

Yes of course! He also claims to be a shorter version of Jeremy lin back then Wink
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

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Does your father know?  Does he drive you to the basketball court with Amy?  LOL!
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Now we talking
seriously, 6.2, 15 years old, you have a chance hey.
Just need to work on your "spin, speed and controls" Wink

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Or you want me to rename to Tonys Basketball? Tongue

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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Now we talking
seriously, 6.2, 15 years old, you have a chance hey.
Just need to work on your "spin, speed and controls" Wink

PS I added you on FB, please accept - Tonys Table Tennis.
Or you want me to rename to Tonys Basketball? Tongue
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